Salesforce .com co-founder and CEO Marc Benioff is sitting down with TechCrunch IT editor Steve Gillmor and TechCrunch co-editor Erick Schonfeld to discuss the socialization of the enterprise. Benioff recently unveiled his own social strategy for Salesforce: Chatter. Debuted at the company’s Dreamforce event, Chatter allows any company to collaborate in real time with a secure, private social network for their business. Content, applications and people will now have profiles, feeds and groups within the platform, enabling them to be connected via a unified stream. In addition, developers will now be able to tap into Chatter’s API to build social enterprise apps off of platform. While Chatter looks and feels like a social network for the enterprise, Benioff is quick to nix that moniker, preferring to call the platform a collaboration tool.
Below find my notes (paraphrased):
ES: We’re here with Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce.com, he’s had a few announcements the past couple days.
MB: We’ve had 19,000 people for our Dreamforce convention. We had a successful announcement for a new product called Chatter. It takes this thing Steve Gillmor calls real-time and combines it with the enterprise. It brings in the power of real enterprise computing. I’ve brought in Steve Fisher, Chatter’s product lead from Salesforce and I’d like to do a overview of Chatter.
—-video of Chatter—-
MB: Steve and I started a software company together, he taught computer science at Stanford and worked at Apple.
SF: The core idea behind Chatter is bringing real-time nature to enterprise, where its sorely needed. This provides the context for information in the stream. It not only delivers a social application but also a platform for people to innovate off of. Chatter takes a database object and turns it into a person and profile.
MB: Chatter is a social extension to the Force.com platform.
SF: Any applications built on Force.com now had feeds associated with it. When you are interested in an application, you can see the feed for information. An application can talk to a person, and people can comment on this.
MB: As key tasks and activities happen in applications, all are enabled with all features to access Chatter.
ES: Chatter will be the new homepage?
MB: yes, it will be integrated into the new homepage along with a dashboard of reports and approvals, workflow, tasks and calendar. You’ll also be able to see filters as well. Chatter will let you see updates from people, files, applications, HR, and will integrated other Feeds (Dow Jones, Thompson Reuters). A standard object, like a possible sale or opportunity, is alive. You can comment on that and also builds in relationships with other people on the deal.
Because it’s built on Force.com, security models are high-tech. The idea behind realtime enterprise is to leverage what we are learning from consumer world, ie what’s in Facebook and Twitter, and then take the data of what’s in the enterprise and make it relevant.
You can also group users, and those groups can have a profile or wall and set up Twitter feeds to track.
SG: A couple of years ago, I’d get strange Facebook messages late night from you. You really use this stuff. Somehow you’ve taken something that you are fascinated with and translated it into a product.
MB: I have 5,000 friends on Facebook. But why do I know more about these strangers than I do my own employees. I am smarter about people I don’t know about than people who are my most important employees.
Robert Scoble: On that point, Salesforce is only used by a small # of people inside corporations. Why aren’t you ripping this out and make this more low cost?
MB: We are. All Salesforce users can use thus for free. We also have a low cost separate product. And we will be rolling out a free version. We are working on figuring out what that is.
ES: What is that going to called, Chatter Lite? This is a new type of Stream?
MB: This is a deep integration of the fundamental transactions. We are exposing fundamental audit trails. And we provide linkage between content and apps and the people; it adds contextual information for users. It’s adding metadeta.
ES: Enterprise social networks have always been about getting real-time social data to users.
MB: I feel that I’m a slave to email, to Outlook. But my content management system is its own island of data. Twitter and Facebook has shown that we can provide more context and meaning to this information. Because there is an API that you can plug into, if you are a data provider, you can plug into this. I love software and I love technology. Chatter gives you metadeta and integrated data. Salesforce is becoming a type of distribution network, not just an application provider, so any app can plug into us to provide content to Salesforce users. We can bring content to people via Chatter.
MB: We’re not that far into it. We’re looking for feedback. We have a general strategy. We think this a unique strategy. We need some new things besides Mircosoft Sharepoint. This is our fourth cloud.
ES: Do you think there’s going to more User interaction with this application?
MB: We are looking to the consumer world to the things that have been popularized like feeds, profiles and then adds computer technology, to create this for the enterprise. We’re trying to implement real-time on our platform. We’re passionate about SaaS, but collaboration is the next thing. And why should this only be on the consumer side. Why can’t a follow my PowerPoint presentation.
Alex Williams: What about moving contact information in Facebook and connecting this to Chatter?
MB: You can integrate it as a feed. We are a metadata driven server.
MB: I’m not bashing Microsoft, I’m just explaining why its a monopoly. I paid to upgrade to Windows 7 and I got no new features. It’s insane that we tolerate this.
Question: Do you want to buy Zoho?
MB: there are so many companies out there, we have 4000 employees there are lots of conversations. We’ve only looked to buy a few companies over the last ten years. I’m not that familiar with Zoho. It’s very hard for us to bring a company in. Our architecture is very sophisticated. I’m not saying that we aren’t going to make acquisitions.
ES: the fact that you have so many APIs means that you don’t have to make acquisitions?
MB: We’ve completely integrated with Google Apps, Gmail, and more. When you update your Google spreadsheet, it will show up in your feed. We need to have deep relationships with Google, and other companies.
SG: Congratulations! You are two years ahead of your competition.
MB: Chatter is deeply integrated into our core. We have completely reworked our architecture to become more real-time. I want to thank Steve Gillmor for this.
Video: Recording can be seen here.
Transcript: Provided by PLYmedia.
> We have a world famous author here.
>> He’s a world famous author.
Everybody has his book.
>> We’re going to get started.
So Marc Benioff, CEO of salesforce.Com.
You might have heard he’s had a few announcements the past few days.
You had a little event, what, the past few days, right around the corner, right, a small affair?
>> Next half an hour, because alter your reality, often, but we’ve had 100 people, over the
Last three days for our
people from all over
it’s a long way to go, I understand.
But it was very successful announcement of major new product and chatter, basically takes this
Thing, this thing that Steve calls real time.
I’m still trying to understand what it is.
>> We call it real time.
>> This real time idea, combines it with social and interpresent and really takes and you’re
Going to see it for the first time here, this very idea that we’ve seen popularized and the
Users use in Facebook and Twitter but brings in the power of real enterprise computing.
Because I have hot tea because my voice I woke up with no voice and it’s slowly coming back.
But I brought with me my head of engineering.
Who is responsible for all development QA and tests.
And who is responsible for overseeing the chatter development and also Dan Darcy who is one
Of our keytologists and what I’d like to do is I’d like to show you a quick three minute overview
With you, if this is okay.
Is I’d like to show you a quick three-minute overview of the video.
And then what I want to do is I want to
I want to have Steve do a technical overview of
How we did it, what it is, and so forth for about maybe five or ten minutes, and then that’s
Going to include a live demonstration under the development server.
And then we’ll take 20 to 15 minutes and we’ll do the questions.
>> You’ll be out of time.
>> Let’s jump into it.
This is chatter.
>> Let’s roll the video.
The problem with business collaboration today is that you have to go to one place to create
And manage content.
Another place to use your business APs and finally somewhere else for e-mail and instant mess
Enger, just to collaborate with the people using all these different technologies.
What if you could join all these separate activities in one place.
Salesforce chatter combines the latest collaboration trends in social computing with robust
Sharing and security controls of enterprise cloud computing to deliver break through levels
Of creativity and let’s take a look this is the chatter application home page.
Right away we can see how chatter brings your business applications to life.
At the top, you see your own picture and your latest stat usesup date.
When you click on your picture you’re brought to your own work profile.
Here you can upload your picture and write a quick blurb about your expertise.
Now you and everyone in your company can easily learn about each other’s talents and how you
Can help each other get things done.
In the middle of the page is where you post your status.
Just like you would in your favorite social networking sites.
This is where you let everyone know what you’re working on, whether you’re at a conference
Looking for new business or asking anyone in your company for advice.
Chatter keeps you connected to your colleagues by letting you follow their activities.
And provides a private social network for your company where you can share information secure
Ly and discover new insights.
Chatter lets you do a lot more than follow your colleagues.
Here on the home page is your main feed of real time updates you can see people responding
To your status.
But you can also keep track of everything that’s happening in your applications, including
All the data, and the content you care about most.
You can see real time updates to your customer service cases being closed.
Your account data changing, and your sales deals advancing.
And since chatter is also a social platform, we can even bring in updates from nonsalesforce
Applications like your back end and finance or HR systems.
Your feed puts all your content apps and people updates right in front of you, all in one place,
All in real time.
Plus, chatter makes it easy to filter your feed to find the most relevant information.
You can create any kind of filter you want.
You can filter on just your team, or filter by your top sales deals.
Here we can see that a new competitor has been identified one of our technologies opportunity.
Right from the feed we can drill into the deal and take a closer look.
On the opportunity page, but your deal also has its own feed.
Now you can collaborate on this deal in real time.
When someone or some event updates this opportunity like this stage change, it automatically
Shows up in your feed, and in the feed of anyone else who is following this opportunity.
Here you can see someone is recommended you join this competitive group to get some more product
Here’s the competitive group page.
Chatter lets you form groups instantly collaborate on anything.
Whether it’s a sales competitor, an HR project, product team or whatever you need.
One of the great things about chatter is that you can also pull in information from other social
Networking sites like Twitter.
Here you have a Twitter widget that’s pulling in real time tweets about this competitor.
People in groups on chatter can also collaborate on files like photos, documents, spreadsheets
Here’s a presentation someone on the preview group posted about our competition which you can
Plus, with chatter, you can also access all your application content and data on your mobile
With the iPhone or blk berry.
No matter where you go chatter makes sure you’ve got your real time updates right at your fingertips.
Chatter is the new way to collaborate with your content, apps and people.
Securely and in real time.
It will make you and your company more productive and give you real time insights that lead
To smarter decisions.
To learn more visit salesforce.Com/chatter.
>> So, anyway, just a brief history on Steve.
Steve and I have started software company together in 1979 called Liberty Software we wrote
10 entertainment titles.
We were in high school.
And then we went to college.
Steve went to Stanford.
He taught computer science at Stanford then he worked at Apple for many years, working on a
Number of their projects, including started a lot of their early Internet work then went to
AT&T and he’s been with salesforce for five years.
So I’d like Steve now to just give you a little technical behind the scenes on exactly what
You just saw and how it works.
>> Thanks, Mark.
So the core idea behind chatter is really seeing all the fantastic innovation happening on
The consumer side, really bringing the real time nature to the way people lead their lives
And recognizing that the enterprise, the enterprise is just not real time.
You’ve got your applications.
We provide a suite of applications, many of the people provide applications, people adding,
Changing deleting, updating information on these databases lock within these databases.
You’ve got your content living on your file servers, and you’ve got people living inside of
Outlook, there’s no context or real time nature.
There’s no rapid communication, collaboration.
It’s really just, the consumer world has just left the enterprise behind.
And so the idea behind chatter is to bring those together, introduce the real time nature into
The enterprise where it’s sorely needed so that as change happens that I care about I know
I can collaborate.
I can come back to it.
And also extremely importantly, provide the context so that if I happen to not be paying attention
while it’s happening I can go back to the particular area that I care about and see what’s
And doing that all in, not only delivering a social application, but delivering a platform
To allow the entire industry to innovate and bring that real time aspect to the enterprise.
We’ll have the opportunity that we have but more importantly, that the entire industry has
To really innovate and improve and bring the level of innovation we’ve seen on the consumer
Side into the enterprise.
I’m sure a number of you have seen this.
So this is the new look and feel.
I’m curious, how many of you have seen salesforce our salesforce automation applications or
Any custom applications or users of salesforce.
So a few of you.
So a look and feel for our core application that would be available sometime early next year.
And you can see on here, it’s personalized with Marc.
In this case I’m acting as Marc.
People get us confused.
So there we go.
So now we’re bringing, picking what was the user, the model the data object behind the scenes,
Is really been unfamiliar in the enterprise world.
So if we can go and take a look at Mark’s profile
you’ll see all the familiar, all the familiar
Types of interactions that you see on the consumer world with this is effectively Mark’s wall
And you can see what’s going on right now.
Talking about chatter or maybe he’s congratulating me on my new promotion or something like
And so this is very familiar.
The typical style of interaction that we see in Facebook on Twitter, where people are commenting
>> I’ll talk before you move on past this page.
We really haven’t used the word “platform” yet.
>> How this whole thing is built on our force.Com platform.
While you’re seeing the fixed application, the whole thing I wanted to add, HMRS information.
I wanted to add more fields to this page.
I wanted to add information about me like I was an expert in certain areas, we’re working on
Those all of a sudden become keywords or search terms or part of my groups and all that that
We fully extended our platform and that is really what’s what chatter is.
It’s a social extension to the force.Com development.
>> It’s a core extension of the platform at two levels.
If we go back to the home tab and take a look at the overall feed, which is of course where
We expect people really go to find out what’s going on and that feed is available either on
The browser but also on the desktop or on your mobile devices just like you’d expect.
This feed is really the core.
But any object in the entire force.Com database which they, an open database that people have
Built 135,000 custom applications on, recruiting applications, expense management applications,
Financial applications, just about everything you can imagine we might use at salesforce.
Now all those applications have things associated with them.
They have fees associated with them.
When I’m interested in a certain object or a certain person, or a certain piece of content,
Or even to find a rule describing I’m interested in all bugs related to the next release, and
I want to know when they’re being closed.
Now all of that will come to the feed.
Not only the people and people actually talking to each other, but as you can see here we’ve
Got the allied technologies opportunities.
So that’s a deal in the system.
So this is an example where an object is talking to me, an application is talking to me, not
Just a person talking to me.
And people are commenting on that.
>> And as just an extension of what Steve said, he lightly touched on this.
But while we were at dreamforce Computer Associates announced they’ve created a application
Natively on our salesforce.Com around the scrum development methodology which a lot of our
Customers we use and so forth and many others use, but managing scrum is an incredibly different
Not only have we built the software development around scrum but the whole idea now is that
That is now just because they’ve built it natively in our platform, it now is basically enabled
By chatter so that as bugs as sprint teams do their work, as key tasks and activities happen,
In that application or whatever application it is, we have over 135,000 custom applications
On our platform, all of them are enabled by the objects that Steve is now referencing here
Which is that we have basically given all aspects of force.Com and all applications that we
Make as well as the 850 apps on the app exchange are now all enabled with all the features
That you’re seeing.
>> So developers can build on top of chatter and their applications can become information
That feeds into chatter.
>> And existing salesforce customers are 70,000 customers.
This happens automatically.
And we are not charging them any additional money for this capability.
This will just turn on in the release that is happening in early 2010.
>> Is this going to be the new home page?
>> That’s what Steve just said.
He just showed you the new home page.
If you go back to home, go back to home.
>> Can you show us what the current home page is?
>> Thank you for asking me.
Thanks for paying attention to the presentation, Erick.
This is the home page.
>> You didn’t show it.
>> This is the salesforce home page.
I’m glad this is on video.
We will review with you later.
>> I’m glad I’m not the only one tired.
>> This is going to be the new home page.
>> This is going to be the new home page.
And then you can see my status update.
You can see the chatter feed but it’s closed.
Dashboards are real time analytics coming into our system.
A lot of our customers.
We deliver over 700
700,000 dashboards for our customers a day, and two million reports.
Many of those customers ask for real time feeds from those into their dashboards as
Their home page as they log in.
If you go down, we also have an approvals and work flow engine in our system that’s giving
Us real time approval requirements where we can now prove on our home page which is our calendaring
System or can also be real time integrated with other calendaring systems like Google and Outlook
As well as tasks that we need to complete, you know, I need to either go call this person or
Get this done.
However, now if Dan scrolls all the way back up, all of those things are on the home page today.
What’s not on the home page today is two things.
Left, the things on the left, which are these filters, and the thing on the top that says chatter.
Me Mark says this, George says this.
Parker says this.
And Steve says this.
But not just that.
It says: Your purchase order system says this.
Your scrum application says this.
Your CSL system says this.
Your marketing system says this.
Your PowerPoint presentation just told you that it got updated.
You look at the customer and he says it sucks but he made changes and now it’s better and he
Upped, and the Oracle HR system says to you.
And oh, by the way, other feeds are coming in from other outside vendors as well.
Tom son Reuters is feeding information to you.
Dow Jones is feeding information to you.
You know, maybe you’re hooked into other news providers.
>> Is there a Twitter feed in there.
>> We showed the Twitter.
We’ll go back and show you the Twitter
this is great we can go back.
Thank you for setting it up for me.
And I needed the energy, really, Erick.
So so now I have the whole feed, and I have the ability to go through this.
Now, for example, when I’m working on like this Allied Technology
all of our objects are
Just generic, you can rename that object.
You can change all these fields.
Can you change these page layouts but what we’ve added to all our core database objects, you’ve
Got these feeds.
So the database is talking to you.
So now when you click on chatter, that database
the table, kind of what was almost an audit
Trail is alive.
And I can comment on that object.
The object is commenting on itself.
Bearing the privacy model that’s in place by the 30,000 users who use this at Merrill Lynch.
The 25,000 users at Cisco.
The 30,000 users at Dell.
You know, the thousands of users, the 70,000 users that Japan posts at Tokyo.
The sharing models and privacy models and security models to make sure that private data stays
And only the right people see the right things.
It’s in place.
And that is the combination.
Because the whole idea behind enterprise is key.
But deliver the real time prize, we have to leverage what we’re in the consumer world because
That’s what the action is.
>> You see Facebook are half a billion on these new met fors if we can leverage, take the
Data that’s in the enterprise to these enterprise users, and that’s really what this is trying
>> But the companies that are using it.
>> That’s exactly, or whatever the projects, you know we have project management systems.
We have over 800 applications on our App exchange.
Group that you see there, you know, and we bring up the competitive group, of course, you can
Group users into groups.
And they can be your account team.
And they can be your product team.
These are people who are now working together and they themselves have a profile.
And they, of course, have a wall, because they’re a group, and they can set up Twitter feeds
So that’s what’s right on the right there, that this
>> What are they tracking?
>> Actually coming out of
this is not
this is our live development system.
This is a SharePoint.
This is SharePoint on Twitter.
The search term that we’re tracking is SharePoint fail.
And it says Ger, why won’t the OWA documents feature accept an external URL for DIF points
For SharePoint location.
Would you unzoom, Dan.
Go into the back end.
Zoom freezes it.
Zoom back in, Dan.
Dear IT why implement SharePoint as a collaboration tool but not enable ability to have accounts
Collaborate with external clients I wonder whose fault is that SharePoint 2007 NITX, XMF.
>> Don’t call it salesforce for nothing.
>> You didn’t plan that?
>> This is live.
>> This is live.
>> It’s real time.
>> There’s this thing going on, I gotta tell you about, when we get a chance, have lunch.
>> You take it from SharePoint 2010 doesn’t install at all on windows 2008.
>> Notice he can read it now.
>> You would have thought that you would be tested
well, it’s going too fast.
>> Can we just
now that we see
I just want to tell a little story.
>> Erick had to get me going just a little bit.
Scobold will try to get me going, too.
>> Before we get Scobold into this then we’re really in trouble.
>> Cut him off.
>> Gee, who knew.
>> That’s all right.
>> A couple of years ago, Marc, I started getting these strange late night Facebook messages
You know, I’d post something.
>> I hope you don’t take them the wrong way.
>> No, I didn’t.
I turned them over to my attorney.
But the thing is you really use this stuff.
>> Of course.
>> So somehow, though, you’ve taken something that you were fascinated with.
>> I’m deeply
I love technology.
I love software.
we’ve been working on, since Apple 2.
Commodore, assembly language, but we’ve loved this stuff for 30 years.
And we love this, and we love the Facebook, is unbelievable.
And I have 5,000 users on my, friends, I mean my closest friends on Facebook.
>> And there’s me.
>> And my close friend, Steve.
>> But the thing that is amazing, Steve, about Facebook, the thing that just blows my mind,
Is why do I know more about the these strangers than I do about my own employees.
That’s the thing.
I’m learning so much about people on Facebook.
When they tag each other.
When they’re commenting.
Where they’re going.
It’s amazing how much I’m learning.
I am smarter about people I don’t even know about and have never met than people who are basically
My most important employees and what they’re working on.
I am learning why is it so easy to tag things on Facebook but I can’t
it’s time for a big
CrunchUp in the enterprise.
>> Question: On that point.
>> Turn the audience mic on, please.
>> Question: Marc on that point salesforce is only used by a small number of people inside
Corporations, it’s used by salespeople.
Why aren’t you ripping it this out and making available to the entire enterprise for a low
Cost, because you’re charging
>> Yes, we are.
Thank you for doing my marketing strategy.
As usual, why should today be any different?
And first of all we’re including this for free for all salesforce users.
And then we have a low priced version which includes our full content management product and
A full force.Com development license, and we have all this technology, which basically starts
At $50 a user a month.
And then we’re working on a free version that we’re not ready to unveil yet because we’re just
Not settled on the features and function, because we needed the feedback from the conference
Because we’re showing this for the first time.
And you are 100 percent right.
We have a number of enterprise license agreements with large customers.
Like Dell, who has 80,000 users.
On our service.
They can deploy this enterprise-wide.
But for a lot of our customers, like Bank of America, who has 290,000 employees, we only have
30,000 employees, which is their financial advisors.
We have two million total users, about 67,000, approximately, implementation.
>> So you’ll make this available?
>> We’re working on figuring out what that is, yes.
>> What are you going to call that, chatter Lite.
>> I think that’s news.
>> We don’t know.
We said this at the conference.
But if you had come to the conference, I know it was a long way to go since it was
100 yards away.
>> I wasn’t here yesterday.
>> You don’t have to explain yourself.
>> I watched on it the Web.
>> That’s right.
>> It’s not just status updates.
this is deep integration between the fundamental, the fundamental transactions
Of your company.
The transaction is kind of, as Jim Gray defined a transaction, now the reason we were able
To get this done so quickly is we were already auditing all of our transactions, in fact, we
Have three and a half billion custom object records on over half, half a million custom objects
That our customers have created, and we have to keep audit trails for all of these transactions,
Especially the banks and the insurance companies that we run, like Aon and others.
And because we have those audit trails on our objects, basically those are just very pretty
They look like Facebook.
They look like Twitter.
But really just exposing the fundamental audit trails and then we’re doing something else.
We’re providing that linkage between the content, the apps and the people.
So that when I go into an object, it’s not just saying I was created, I was read.
I was updated, I deleted, which was the crud characteristics of a database transaction.
But then I can say, oh, no, this means this.
So like if it’s an account object or an account table.
I can say this account is, you know, doing great.
They’ve adopted all of our technology.
You know, basically I can add meta data.
I’m adding meta data on top of that.
>> ERP systems and enterprise systems have always been about getting real time enterprise
Data and getting it to the right people.
But they’ve done a horrible job of doing that.
I think what you’re saying here is that these consumer apps are creating a UI that is, that
Makes a lot more sense.
>> Aren’t we like a slaved
I feel like many times I’m like having to constantly deal with
But then my content management system is its own island of data and then my enterprise apps
Are their own islands of data.
And I think what we’ve seen with Facebook and Twitter is that we can provide a user interface
That is, provide meaning, meaning to these enterprise users of all of this information.
And somehow by bringing it together in this synthesis, we can take it another level.
The other really cool thing is you saw with the filters, is that because I’m basically able
To provide queries on tops of huge amounts of data but also through, because there’s an API,
That you can now write to, to feed all of the systems, as well.
You don’t have to just use our managed framework but there’s an application program you can
There’s so many great data providers whether you’re a content provider or whether you’re a,
You’re providing stock quotes or news stores stories or credit information, or whatever, you
Can plug into this.
Now the power of that, let’s say I’m managing an account object, right?
So let’s say I’m managing account.
Can we go back to the account object like I was showing you?
Think about this.
You not only have the account object, that is, the account, whatever it is, you don’t like
The no SharePoint logo.
>> It’s like the no software logo.
>> That one is extremely good.
Same guy came up with both of them.
>> Funny you said you love software because we don’t have software.
>> I love software.
And, look, I love technology.
Here’s the account object.
Here’s the account.
It’s got Google integrated.
I’ve got Google mapped to the account.
I’ve got meta and what opportunities on this account that I’m working on.
Cases, this is typical salesforce automation.
I showed you this nine years ago.
You know, you were across the street at the other magazine.
Now, go back up.
This page we’ve had for a long time.
But that little thing at the top, the little chattering teeth now I click on that now I have
Meta data and integrated data.
So I have the meta data which is Jim steel our chief customer officer saying allied technologies,
This thing is hot.
Let’s make this
It’s the AP speaking, they’ve completed a transaction, that they just fulfilled an order on
So SAP basically said, oh, hey, by the way, I just got an order from them on the website.
And click here and I’m going to bring you into the SAP screen.
Or Oracle said: Oh, this invoice, because I use Oracle for the payables, I clicked here for
Oracle and I click on that
>> What happens when you get confused between apps with people.
>> Let me finish this thought then I’ll any is your question.
Or I’ve hooked into TechCrunch’s API or I’ve hooked into Thompson Reuters am.
PI or Dow Jones or maybe something else here.
And I’m tracking Allied Technologies and all of a sudden there’s an icon there and it says
TechCrunch, Steve Gillmor says Allied Technologies suction.
sucks, what are they doing they’ve got a bug in their system.
Right away I’ll see that information.
That’s the power.
And because I’m following allied technology I’m also going to get that on my home page.
If my competitive group is following it, they’re going to get it in their wall.
And this is really the next
this is exciting.
And this also means that salesforce is becoming a type of a distribution network for information.
That we’re able to filter correctly because we know people are interested in Allied Technology
In this deal, in this product, in this competitive thing.
We become a distribution network, not just an application provider.
But for our users.
So that you can plug into us, because you’re a content
you’re of course a great website.
You provide you tweet and you do all these things but you’re a content provider.
You can plug in your real time media into our network, and we can actually bring it to people
Where they’re going to actually maybe see that but they might not otherwise have seen it because
We know that they’re working on these things.
And that this is important to them.
>> Do you think that this is
>> Does that make sense.
>> Is there an advertising model?
>> I was basically going to ask.
Do you think this is kind of a reboot of the media publishing.
>> We published this 48 hours ago.
While I completely respect his comments and your comments, we’re not that far into it.
We’re looking for feedback.
And this is the first time I’m kind of trying to explain our general strategy and why I brought
Steve to explain the technology, because we want the feedback because we think this is a unique
Look, we’ve poked fun at SharePoint quite a few times, but the reality is they’re releasing
All of our customers are asking to upgrade their servers.
You can put a website on it.
You can put like a wiki on it.
And it’s completely unintegrated basically with everything else.
And it’s just not
it’s very old technology.
And we need to move this industry forward.
That’s what this conference is about.
A lot of people in this room are doing this.
Microsoft kind of continues to hold us back.
SharePoint is the latest thing that they use to kind of hold onto their status quo.
Cash cow servers.
You know, we need some new things.
So here’s our stake in the ground around collaboration.
We’re already in the sales business.
You know that, sales automation.
We’re in the customer service and support business.
Call centers contact centers, portals we do 8,000 customers with that and we’re in the custom
Application development business for ISVs.
>> Have you been testing this.
>> This is the fourth area, collaboration that we’re entering.
>> This is our fourth cloud.
>> Have you been testing chatter, user
>> I’m testing it right now I’m watching everybody to see if they like it or not.
>> Do you think there will be more user interaction through this user interface than through
Your current user interface?
>> I think the social media guys on the consumer side, you know, I quit my job at Oracle in
1996 because I was using Amazon.Com, and I’m like, this app just rocks it’s so much better
Than what we’re doing in our enterprise group.
Why are we building financials and CRM and all this stuff that looks like green screens on
3270 terminals, and I quit my job.
And in ’99 I basically started salesforce so that I could
I didn’t quit my job in ’96.
But I probably should have.
Looking back at it.
But in 1999, when I did quit my job, I started salesforce, and all we did was take Amazon.
It’s not like we were rocket scientists.
We took that architecture, and we built salesforce automation.
Now we’re basically again looking to the consumer world, the metaphors that are being popularized,
Like feeds, like profiles.
You know, like groups.
These are great things, and then we can take great computer science and other things that we’ve
Built to deploy what we think is maybe the next generation.
We think, you know, he and I have had a lot of talks.
And I think that what he’s been talking about for now for a couple of years is dead on on this
Steve, I’m sure everyone in this room knows, and if you don’t know, Steve Gillmor was talking
About real time in the enterprise before me, before anybody.
And he is 100 percent right.
He wrote the first articles on it.
The first everything.
And what we’re trying to do is take these ideas, and we’re trying to actually implement them
But on our development platform, and within our application framework so that we can do it.
And this is the thing.
So you know, because we’ve been working together for nine, or 10 years now, that we’re passionate
About software as a service, no software, scalability.
Democracitization of applications, but collaboration is the next one that’s got to happen.
And why should the great thing that’s happening only be on the consumer side.
Because I mean I think it’s really cool that I can follow Ashton on Twitter and millions of
People are doing that.
But why can’t I follow my PowerPoint presentations?
Why can’t I follow on with what’s going on with my key products.
>> Let’s have people come up to the mic.
We’re a little bit over on time.
>> A few questions from the audience.
>> Go ahead.
>> Question: Alex Williams.
You write Web.
Over the past few days you talked about for instance what Dell is doing with Answers, be able
To pull that information, create knowledge bases out of Facebook.
What about the contact lists?
And being able to export that information?
>> Only in so much as users want to move that information around.
Otherwise we can just deploy that as a real time feed.
Using Facebook as a service.
You know, that’s one of the great things about the net.
Is that all these things are architected with these great APIs.
So we don’t need to manage the data.
I mean, if the customer wants us to manage the data, it’s probably because of a security reason.
Or because of a sharing or a privacy area.
That’s our expertise.
That’s our core.
That’s why we have the iso certifications and every transaction SSL, and we have our identity
Protection systems, and all of those things.
That’s our core, our sharing models and our customers are 27,000 customers have set up the
Fundamental and key architecture, security architecture to their company.
That’s a huge investment they’ve met in the meta data, in our systems.
And now we’re enabling that through this user interface.
But this is just one.
And also here’s the thing you’ve got to remember about salesforce.Com.
Of course, we are an infrastructure layer.
First and foremost, we are a multi-tenant meta-driven server.
That’s number one.
Number two is we have a huge infrastructure layer that we, ranging from security to scalability,
Number three is we have a development platform to let our customers build their own applications.
Which is our force.Com environment.
Now we’ve added chatter, which is a social development platform so that you as ISVs can build
Apps that make sense for our customers or for your own customers or for customers that don’t
And then we add apps on top of this comprehensive integrated architecture.
These are not separate servers.
These are not separate apps.
These are not separate services.
That’s not how we do it.
Other vendors do it in a different way.
Obviously, Microsoft has lots of servers.
Oracle has lots of servers that are all getting upgraded and updated in various levels of order.
Different service providers also have siloed services, that have kind of a similar model.
We are a fully integrated comprehensive service with one API that
a bulk load API you can
>> Let’s get a few more questions in.
Lili is in the audience would like to respond to all this Microsoft bashing, feel free to come
Up to the mic.
>> I’m not bashing Microsoft.
I’m just explaining why they’re a monopoly, because they hold onto the status quo through this
Cash cow mechanism of the operating
I just upgraded my PC.
I have a new P C&I wanted to upgrade.
And I upgraded, and I paid for this upgrade.
It’s called Windows 7.
Let me tell you I upgraded I got no new new features.
Fantastic business model.
How do I get this.
If you upgrade
>> The new features that works.
>> You know what, this is insane that we even tolerate this in our industry.
We laugh about it.
Yes, oh it’s a company and you upgrade to get the features fixed and you have to pay.
But ha, ha, ha.
Come on, are we tired of this?
We pay companies like Oracle and SAP, our customers pay them 22 percent maintenance year after
Year for software that was written 10 and 20 years ago that hasn’t been upgradeed and updated
And customers are just forced to tolerate it.
It’s the same thing.
We need new models.
>> Thank you from for switching from Microsoft to Oracle bashing.
>> I didn’t want to just stay in one area.
>> You did great.
>> I didn’t want to give you the show you wanted, Steve.
>> [Indiscernible] I’ve been working in large corporation enterprises recently there’s two
One is the people challenge in collaboration enterprise and the other one is IT department
Bottleneck and you’ve made inroads with salesforce into the enterprise on that front.
But we see a lot of issues widening that into internal collaboration.
>> By IT departments protecting their turf.
How do you see those walls falling?
>> I see exactly what you said.
I see that, of course, we have IT departments who, A, need collaboration, just like you’re
Saying, there are cultural challenges.
You do have a clash of civilizations regarding on premise and cloud computing.
We know that is happening.
And there’s a rationalization happening.
And it depends a lot on the country, actually.
It depends on a lot the size of company.
And it depends a lot on the, Jeff Moore has this great thing called technology adoption curve.
It has a lot to do with where the CIO is on the adoption curve and their own consciousness,
In terms of them being willing to look at new ideas.
We see it for years.
I see Sam Whitmore in the audience.
I used to go see Sam in 1989 when I was at Oracle talking about Macks and PCs front end corporation
Information systems and CIOs were kicking us out saying, now we’re going deck backs imperpetuity.
Now basically 20 years later most not only do most people in the room don’t even know what
Deck vaks or VMS is, we used to be their neighbor in Boston.
The company doesn’t even exist.
That’s what’s great about our industry, that we are riding innovation, which is constantly
Getting lower cost and easier to use technology out there and we’re all on this technology
Continuum and it’s kind of at an unseen level and it’s moving forward it’s like this tremendous
And we are all, all have the obligation to drive that paradigm forward.
And for those companies who don’t latch on to that technology continuum, that somehow use it
For their own selfish advantages, and I hope that salesforce never becomes one of those that
I think it’s an abuse of power in many ways.
And that’s why I am a proponent that we have to use technology.
We have to drive its cost down.
We have to make it easier to use and ultimately we have to make it for the good of other people.
And we don’t have time for that speech.
But it’s in my book, though, under force for change.
There’s a chapter on it.
>> Last question.
>> Question: Hello.
We heard a lot of blogs and a lot of places that you talked personally to Soho that you wanted
To buy them out.
Is that true.
Did you want to buy them and what do you think of them and are you still in talks with them?
>> No, you know, look, there’s so many companies out there and I’m sure everybody talks to
Us at lots of different levels.
You know, we have 4,000 employees and there’s lots of conversations happening with tens of
Thousands of companies, but the reality is we’ve only looked at buying a few companies over
Ten years, because as Steve will tell you, we’re working at a very core level in our systems
It’s very hard for us to buy anybody.
And I’m not that familiar with this company.
But there’s a lot of great companies out there.
But for us to bring any technology in, it’s very hard, because if you go back to that one slide,
You’ll see at that bottom level, our meta data architecture is extremely sophisticated, wrapped
By our privacy and sharing model.
And you know, I’m not saying that we won’t look at buying companies in the future or that,
I can of course never comment on any kind of merger or acquisition, but the thing is it’s very
Hard for us to buy companies.
That’s why we bought like Sindia mobile enablement every AP you build runs automatically on
The iPhone and Blackberry, our content management system, our knowledge management system.
These are things that we bought but then we had to completely rewrite into our architecture.
>> And the fact that
>> I hope that answers your question.
Thank you very much.
>> The fact people can tap into the platform and all these different APIs makes it not as
Necessary to buy these companies because you can tap into them.
>> Isn’t that the new world we’re in.
Isn’t that where we’re all trying to go?
Isn’t chatter hopefully make TechCrunch a better company?
Isn’t it a possibility that now we can bring your content to our users and so our users can
Get value from the work that you guys are doing, and the work that others are doing here?
We’re trying to build open frameworks that are based on open standards.
That’s why we’ve
you know, completely integrated all the Google apps.
When you put your Google user name and your Google password into salesforce.Com, all kinds
Of new features and functions open up for you.
We’ve deeply integrated with Google.
Not just Google Maps like you saw but Google Mail, the spreadsheets, all of their capabilities.
And all this stuff awedly case kAdz and we’re doing that with other companies, too, where we
Can look inside their WSDLs and APIs to reveal features and functionalities for users all in
Real time so when you update your Google spreadsheet.
He’s got it actually on the demo.
You update your Google spreadsheet it appears in your feed in real time.
This Google app has been updated.
This Google spreadsheet has been upgraded.
This traffic just appeared near the this account that you’re on your way to.
It’s happening with your feeds.
I mentioned a lot of our partners we have if you go to appexchange.Com you’ll see over 850
Apps and services deeply integrated at that level and soon all of those will start appearing
In these feeds, enabling our users with the very concept of the real time enterprise.
Letting them CrunchUp, CrunchUp.
I agree, we need a CrunchUp.
And we need to go real time.
We need to get into the new world.
I’m sorry my energy is so low.
>> All right.
>> It’s been a long week.
>> You’re probably two years ahead of your competition, right?
>> Is that it?
That’s the total analysis?
>> How long
>> Steve, come on, it’s not our total analysis of this.
>> You said I invented this.
So I’m saying congratulations.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Congratulations to you.
Because I do have to say that Steve was
I mean, it’s empirical.
I’m sure all of you know that you can go back and read his blogs that he was the first one,
And we read this stuff and this is how we
we don’t come up
we don’t have that many ideas
On our own.
We are looking for things and we’re trying to figure out how to take our fundamental premise
Which is everything’s moving into the cloud and that we can provide into a democratized way.
>> But you’re putting a lot of wood behind this arrow.
>> We’ve completely rewritten our architecture around this concept of real time enterprise,
>> Well, I want to thank Marc Benioff.
>> Thanks for Steve and Dan for being here.
>> I think this is a big bet.
And you know, the fact that you are doing it first, very curious to see how fast other your
Competitors are going to try to follow this.
>> I think it will be difficult for them.
We were going to explain why.
But this is not tacked on.
This is not some feed running on the side or somebody typing in status updates, running a feed
On the side.
This is deeply integrated into our core, what we’ve done.
And it was just really honestly a fluke, because we had to do this compliance work for these
Large banks and financial institutions, that we had the concept of feeds buried into our core
Systems and then we’re able to kind of hear of these words that we’re able to kind of able
To dress them up and make them usable for customers and create more value.
It is a complete coincidence.
is that right, Steve?
>> That’s right.
>> Anything else you would want to say on that one piece?
>> I think it was coincidence of the compliance combined with the deep sharing model and security
Model so that we felt free to liberate that information in a way that would not compromise
Our customers’ concerns over privacy.
Those two things combined.
As well as things like mobile support, all the things we have.
All these innovations we’ve been creating unknowingly led to our ability to expose this information
To the field which was really the true innovation to make the enterprise real time.
>> I want to thank Steve Gillmor really for this, because we had some of it but we would not
>> Well, thank you.
>> What’s interesting your relationships with members of the media, you don’t treat the media
You treat them as participants.
>> Sam, you’re going to have to tell them that that’s not true.
>> Thank you.
>> They are.
The media is a critical part of our ecosystem of our industry.
They’re not just pundits.
They’re not just observers.
In many cases they’re prophetic.
They’re seeing things we don’t see.
You see thousands of companies.
We don’t see it where we rely on that.
And also the industry and analysts too, regulators all this kind of thing, these are really
Important people, too.
Not all of them but some of them are.
>> With that, can you please give Marc a hand.
Thank you very much.
>> Thank you for having me.
Thank you TechCrunch.
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>> Just explain why.
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He’ll pick it and what’s the time period?
>> Next hour?
>> By tonight.
>> Explain in one tweet why you want to go.
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